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Interview With . . . Levi Cooper, FKA Tucker

Interview With . . .Tucker

One year ago, Tucker was one half of perhaps one of WWE’s most-loved teams in Heavy Machinery. One year on, having departed the company due to budget cuts, Levi Cooper has departed the company but, as he told Inside The Ropes‘ Lead Writer Gary Cassidy, it didn’t come as a surprise as a lot can happen in a year!

Cooper told ITRWrestling.com how he expected the release after splitting from Otis with no blow-off match, as well as revealing some of the pitches he made to creative and discussing how DDPY has changed him physically and mentally, as the former 24/7 Champion has made positive changes to his life since departing WWE.

So, I normally like to keep it as professional as I can on these interviews but I’m going to start by telling you my favourite “Tucker” moment in WWE, and it’s not even something we saw on RAW or SmackDown. I’m not sure how aware you are of it but, on BT Sport in the UK, we saw a little segment with the New Day on a UK tour and, in the background, you were on the phone to your then-newborn baby. Obviously it was Levi Cooper and not Tucker, but it seemed like one of those incredibly real moments where we just got a glimpse of the person behind the Superstar and it just makes you realise how difficult it is for you guys traveling all around the world and missing out on some important stuff. Do you have any recollection at all?

No, it’s funny, actually, that you mention that. I do. I do remember the point you’re talking about. I think I was in a staircase kind of deal and they were just, you know, being the New Day and being entertaining, kind of cruising around, messing with people or whatever. I just want to say that that was at… Man, I think that was in Brighton. I think that was our first stop on that tour.

Travelling must be one of the coolest things, but also one of the most difficult things. How difficult was that just being away so early on in your kid’s life?

Yeah, man. I mean, it was big time, just huge adjustments. Huge adjustments. Obviously, had been working for five years, essentially, at the Performance Center to kind of get in quest of that point so you had to get there and my daughter was born in June of the year right before we went up, so she was six months old when we started going on the road full time.

Yeah, man, I mean, it was a big time adjustment. Difficult in some regards. It required a lot of communication between my wife and to kind of figure out how we’re going to make those things happen – and always having to make sure you’ve got a backup plan because sometimes you’d be getting the call like, “We need you to leave tomorrow,” or whatever, you know, that happened on multiple occasions. So, yeah, with kids, it can be pretty stressful until you sort of figure out just kind of get your system going.

My other favourite moment, I should say, was actually a match that played out on television. I’m slightly annoyed more wasn’t made of something regarding it on commentary, but the standout “Tucker” moment for me was a great, and I mean GREAT match you had with Dolph Ziggler. Knowing what I know now about your collegiate wrestling background as well as his, that’s no surprise. Firstly, is that a standout match for you, and do you feel like there was a missed opportunity not to build on your collegiate background?

Yeah, I definitely think – and a piece of that’s on me, for sure, of not being maybe forward enough or understanding that was a thing. I need to really kind of push that to the forefront, especially, I guess, me as the straight man role. I think if I could have done a better job of really not necessarily getting into Otis’ stuff all the time and, then when Otis does finally kind of pull me into his stuff, it becomes more of a thing. But I do remember, I think that was the week after WrestleMania actually, that me and Dolph had that match. We wrestled twice – right before and right after.

I believe this was right before with the staircase…

I do remember that match – and Dolph Ziggler’s the man. Any time, I loved working with him and Bobby Roode, and mostly everyone up there, honestly. But Dolph, he very much gets it to the umpteenth degree and he’s not super egotistical, he just wants the match to be as good as it can be, so it’s definitely, definitely a pleasure to work with him. Always.

I was actually disappointed because the way we were doing that match and the stairs meant that I wasn’t going to be a part of the WrestleMania segment that year and so, when we were kind of talking about how I was going to do it and why we were doing what we were doing, I was like, “Oh, man, that kind of sucks,” you know, because obviously I would have liked to be part of WrestleMania. The Mandy and Otis thing was pretty awesome.

Originally, that was supposed to be more of like a kind of a six-way or eight-way thing but, by no fault of his own, because Bobby lives in Canada, as soon as the pandemic started happening, he wasn’t able to get to Orlando essentially because of that. And so that’s how the WrestleMania thing ended up going down.

But I do remember that match and, like I said, Dolph Ziggler’s the man.

So, I get that missing WrestleMania would be disappointing but hopefully there’s some solace in how brilliant that match with Dolph was because it was a standout for me and I’m sure many others. Now let me ask about something that stood out for me for the wrong reasons… The single most frustrating thing, for me as a viewer, was your match with Ricochet where you turn up, no entrance, completely different look, and by the time I comprehend all that, you’ve lost the match to Ricochet. It feels like that moment was very rushed, needed so much more storytelling or, dare I say, to not happen at all. How do you look back on that match, and was it as rushed as it seemed?

Yeah, it was… You know, the whole circumstances around that was disappointing, obviously. I mean, that was essentially the end of my WWE run was when I turned on my partner and then we didn’t have a match. I feel like, off the top, Heavy Machinery had more to give together. I would definitely take some of the blame as, like, maybe I wasn’t forceful enough of pushing the things that I needed to do to try to get some something over in the team, so that it wasn’t just like all Otis all the time, which is sort of what it became. I understand that some of that’s on me.

In my mind, at the time, I was thinking, “Well, we’re going to have a three, four year run here, so him getting the tag and running the comebacks, that’s working right now. There’s really no reason for us to try to reinvent the wheel when… Let’s just try to kind of squeeze what we can out of that.” When we were wrestling in NXT, I would run the comebacks all the time. We would take turns taking the heat and taking comebacks.

When things kind of got going for us on the main roster, that was just sort of the formula, if you will, that was working for us at the time and Vince liked that. At one point, we had Otis taking the heat and Vince was like, “He’s not taking the heat anymore. You’re the guy taking the heat.” I’m like, “OK, message received, right?” When the time comes, obviously pandemic hits and that kind of flips everything upside down, if you will.

I’ve talked a little bit about the circumstances surrounding the actual split, and I wasn’t even booked that day. Like, I came in… I think I got called on Thursday morning to come in for SmackDown on Friday and that’s when we did the El Gran Gordo thing with Otis in the lucha mask. And then I was booked for RAW, but I wasn’t booked for the pay-per-view on Sunday, so I just thought I was off. I was actually heading to the golf course to play golf on that day, at 1:30, our normal call time’s two and I got a text from travel like, “Hey, they need you at the stadium.” I’m like, “OK, well, I’m probably not going to make call time because I need to go change and get my stuff or whatever.” Like, “It’s fine, just get there.” So I got there at like three and I didn’t find out what we were doing until probably five. The show went live at 6:30 or seven and I honestly feel like a part of that was just kind of like they maybe knew that they didn’t want to use me. This is just me guessing, I don’t know for sure, but how I feel now after the fact is that they knew maybe that they weren’t going to use me. I don’t understand how anything else would make sense for us not to have a match. Like, I mean, just have him kick my ass up and down the ring on Monday or whatever it is, like, let’s do something.

So, when we didn’t have a match and then kind of that next Monday… Well, it wasn’t the week after, it was the next week that me and Ricochet did the match because, the day after we split, I wrestled Humberto Carrillo on Main Event as a heel and – I don’t know if this is the truth or not, but people were like, “Well, this is kind of a test, just do it,” and whatever. So I’m like, “All right,” and then obviously the next week, I think Ricochet beat me – and no disrespect to him either, I’m a fan of his, he’s good athlete, great performer – but it’s not like it makes any sense for me to get beat by the guy that’s that size in 90 seconds. I had just kind of went about cutting my hair and doing some stuff because I’m like, “Well, I’ve got to change something here, you know?” Yeah, I mean, it was kind of all downhill from there as far as things for me in WWE, unfortunately.

The thing that stood out, we were so used to seeing you in the Heavy Machinery gear for years after the Tucker Knight run in NXT, so I think you had shorter hair, shiny boots, you were shirtless so your chest tattoo was on display – there were a lot of changes that were just glossed over and, by the time we recognised you, the match was over. You mentioned making those changes yourself, was that all your input?

Well, yeah. So, that was stuff that I had from when I was wrestling singles before me and Otis started. The split happened the week before, I didn’t know that split was coming and it always behooves you to have a backup plan, of course, in WWE, some other thing, you know? And I had other ideas and I pitched a couple of those other ideas. But ultimately, WWE’s not a great place to try different things.

You need like a very polished television product before they’re going to put you there, so I guess I didn’t have another polished product because I had only wrestled on TV as Heavy Machinery – Tucker as kind of the the foil to Otis. That was the gear that I had and I just brought it that next week. When I wrestled his heel against Humberto the day after I turned on Otis, I just had to wear my Heavy Machinery stuff. I didn’t have any other gear and I didn’t know so, yeah, that was basically why. That was the gear that I had. I had the singlet. I think I was wearing just the tights, I wasn’t wearing the singlet part of it. It was kind of Jim Anvil style, that’s what I kind of took the look from, but yeah.

Yeah. And you mentioned pitches. I know that I read that you’d said something recently about a Barbecue Man gimmick and selling aprons and stuff. I’ve spoke to quite a few people that have been recently and they’ve mentioned just pitching everything they can. Wesley Blake told me about him pitching to be Huskus Pig and stuff like that. Did you pitch anything that you thought really had the potential to take off?

Well, yeah. So, the barbecue, I tried to get that going for me and Otis both, right? I wanted that to be another thing for us, just because tag teams are always like… There’s usually only one tag team story going on, on television at the time, the championship story. And then, like, if you can weave your way in other places…

So for me, I was thinking, “OK, well, I don’t want it to just be our turn every few months to be in the title picture. Let’s figure something where where you can just… Put us in the back corner, we’ll barbecue and people can just come and interact with us. Like you’re not going to be able to convince me you ain’t going to get good content doing that.”

And the merch sales on aprons would be incredible!

Yeah! And somebody can come over and kick our barbecue over and it’s on, or whatever. But that was around the time that we were moving to Fox and I think I just didn’t stay on it. Like, I didn’t understand kind of which other buttons to keep pressing and how to… It was a good idea and Vince liked the idea, but I think the timing of it was wrong. I pitched the golf guy for myself, kind of like a country club d*ckhead. You know, I like golf. I’m like, “Well, I know all the jargon of golf. You know, I could throw out all the lingo and talk about I’m going to hit you upside the head with the birdie,” you know what I mean? “They’re making bogeys” – whatever it is!

Then you could have had a great rivalry with Dolph Ziggler – the former caddy!

Exactly! So I pitched that. I pitched one where I’m kind of like a mansplainer and I’m sort of like… I pitched that I would have somebody that would be kind of like my taskmaster essentially, and all I’m doing is just thinking about how everyone’s doing different things wrong and how I need to fix them from doing those wrong things backstage.

Then my handler is like, “Hey, it’s time to wrestle. Like, you need to focus on how to wrestle right now and not how to…” And I’m always just like thinking I’m living my life perfect and everyone else has little flaws in their existence that I can fix for them.

But like I mentioned earlier about the pitches, you can kind of pitch until your face turns blue but if they don’t want to use you or they don’t have plans for you necessarily… Even if you have an amazing pitch and they love it, but they don’t see it for you, they’ll just give it to someone else. That happens too. So, yeah, I did. But I can take some onus of this – that especially like after that Ricochet thing and after a couple of weeks, I was just like, “Well, any time you put me in the ring, like, I’m going to give you…”

It’s actually funny because, after that Ricochet match, I talked to Vince in Gorilla right afterwards and I said, “Hey, whatever you guys ask me to do, I will always give you 100% no matter what – but I’m capable of doing so much more than this, and I hope I get the chance to prove it” and obviously, I didn’t and it is what it is.

So, I mentioned before that I’ve interviewed a few people who have left WWE and a recurring theme seems to be not being able to get in front of Vince McMahon – but it seems like you managed to interact with him a fair bit. Did you feel like you had a good relationship or rapport with Vince?

I mean, I interacted with him when it was possible, there definitely would be months that would go by where I wouldn’t really interact with him too much. He’s super busy, he’s in his office all the time and people are always constantly trying to go in there. He’s kind of signing off on every television segment. So I don’t feel like I had necessarily like a great relationship with him. I do feel like there was a level of respect there at least.

He’s Vince, you’ve got to come correct, right? I’m not going in there every week, just like, “Hey, sir, how are you?” No, it’s like, “OK, I have an idea that I think is a good idea. I’ve tried to run it up the chain and whatever, I’ve shopped it around a couple of writers, a couple producers. They seem to think it might be a good idea, so I’ll go run it by Vince to see what he thinks and see if we can’t make it happen or whatever.” Because, if you can get the boss to sign off on it, then it’ll happen.

That’s kind of why I was saying about the barbecue thing. I distinctly remember leaving that office and being like, “That was the best kind of pitch conversation we’ve had with him up to this point. Don’t you think, Doz?” He was like, “Yeah, dude, he was really into it!” He was very engaged, like wasn’t on his phone. It was probably only a ten-minute conversation or something and that’s why, like I said, I was just kind of thinking, like, “He seemed to love it and he was writing stuff down, so it’s probably going to happen,” I think if I would have known… That was kind of early on in our time, if I would have known what I knew now, I would have really stayed on it with some of the people who are kind of like next down in the chain that could make the moves happen and sort of just constantly, constantly staying on it instead of just being like, “Oh, well, he liked it. I think it’ll happen” and it just didn’t, and accepting that.

So, obviously in retrospect, Otis winning Money In The Bank seemed to be your undoing, sadly. It led to a premature split and a betrayal with no blow-off, etc. One major rumour, though, was that Otis might cash in his Money In The Bank contract for a shot at the Tag Team Championships – which would have been almost on the opposite end of the scale for you in terms of benefit. Was that ever something that you heard anything about or was it pure internet speculation?

Yeah, I mean, it was never… It was purely speculation. I never heard any concrete things about it, and I said this in an interview like last week, I think, and some people may disagree with this or whatever, but I personally don’t feel like Vince McMahon is all about tag team wrestling or thinks tag team wrestling is the thing that draws money in his company – just based on the way that it’s been booked over the last five or ten years.

Maybe in the in the ’80s and ’90s, that was a different story. But then, this is just my opinion. I didn’t feel like they were going to use the Money in the Bank on the Tag Team Championships – just for that exact reason. If you have the Money in the Bank, it’s essentially like you’re going to be the world champ, right? I mean, only a couple of people have unsuccessfully cashed in and, if you do, that’s bad for you career-wise.

I was hopeful, obviously, that maybe maybe that’s what they’re going to do and that’s what they want to do with us, but it became apparent to me anyways fairly quickly that they were trying to figure out a way to… Well, I don’t know, honestly. I don’t know exactly what their plan was around that story in the first place because I was home, I wasn’t a part of that Money in the Bank thing at all initially. I was never feeling like they were going to use them on the tag teams. We obviously pitched in, we talked to a few people about that and based on their reactions, I don’t think that was ever, ever on the cards.

One thing I would personally lump in beside that view of being an afterthought is the 24/7 Championship, which seems to be a vehicle for generating mainstream media attention and it does so very well. I want to know, from a former 24/7 Champion, how you view it. You mentioned that you thought WWE had kind of checked out on you at the point in which you won it – did that give you any hope that there was something on the horizon for you?

I wasn’t extremely hopeful, no, just because of the way that things that were kind of going for me in the backstage and how some of those conversations were kind of happening – or not happening. Any opportunity to be on television, I’m not going to complain about those opportunities. I know there’s a lot of people fighting for those opportunities and I’m very thankful for the time that I did have.

Personally, obviously, I wanted to win tag team championships with my man Otis, because that was what we were about and what we were trying to do. As far as like getting the 24/7 Championship and that kind of making me feel like I was in a better standing or something – not necessarily, just because… I mean, everybody kind of won the championship in that segment where I won it, too, and we all pinned each other. That was cool and something that I guess at least I will always have on my resume that, “Hey, I didn’t leave WWE being no champion ever in anything.” At least I did win the 24/7 Championship in one night and had that opportunity.

Well, me and Otis are forever YOLO County Tag Team Champions in Sacramento, but that’s neither here nor there. Like I said earlier, too, some of it was on me. After the Otis thing went down and we didn’t have a match, you know, I was not in the best headspace either. Mentally, I was not feeling very positive. I think I have a pretty good feeling about when people are telling me the truth or not telling me the truth, or when people are kind of trying to give me lip service or just pay me kind of, “Hey, like we just want to give you an answer so that you’ll stop asking us questions type of thing,” and that was just kind of how…

I felt like the writing was on the wall. Like, “OK, hey, look, you guys were a tag team for two years,” we split up and we didn’t have any matches. That’s the only real shot you have, especially without a crowd to get a new gimmick going. Once that’s passed up, well, it’s going to be really difficult for me to get a new thing going because in the fans’ eyes, it’s like, “Well, what’s going on here? This is all wonky. It doesn’t make any sense. There’s not a great jumping off point here.” So, I kind of felt like I was going to get let go probably by about a month after the split, and kind of just the way things were going. It doesn’t mean I didn’t try and come to work and still pitch some ideas or whatever, but I wasn’t feeling super hopeful if I’m being completely honest.

Yeah. One thing that you mentioned a few times, even since the start of the interview accountability and taking ownership of things that went wrong. That goes hand in hand with something that happened after you left WWE, you put up a photo looking very shredded, very cut, doing some DDP Yoga. I’ve done a bit of it myself. It does completely change your mindset. Obviously, it changes you physically as well. How important has that been for you doing DDP Yoga?

Super important, man. Super important. Well, around my 30th birthday, which I’m almost 31, I was having some really serious hip issues, right hip flexor issues, and had been having some some kind of inside abductor things going on for a few years, and just had gotten pain there and having a hard time really, like, with my mobility in my hip and it moving the way I wanted it to.

I think at my biggest, in WWE, I was like 325 and pretty consistently, in my Heavy Machinery run, I was over 300 pounds or right at the 300 pound mark. When I wrestled in college, I was like 265 or so, so that extra weight does take a toll on your joints over time. I just realised that basically, for those 30 years or since I’d started training, lifting weights and whatnot, that the entire time I’d spent in an attempt to get bigger, faster and stronger, regardless of the cost to my long-term health. Like, “Hey, I want to be the best athlete I can be. To do that, my training goal is going to be just to get bigger, faster and stronger.” To me, when you’re trying to reach a goal and you come up against an obstacle, you can do two things. You can dig in, which means kind of do all the same things you’ve been doing, but just do more of them or do them harder.

Or you can innovate, which means you either take what other people are doing or you try to find a new way of solving that particular problem. So for 15 years, I’m innovating and digging in on the problem of trying to get bigger, faster and stronger. Well, finally, I realised, “OK, there’s a third thing here that you have to take into account sometimes, and that’s a pivot when your goal is not serving you exactly the way that you want it to.” And so I realised – “Oh, man, like, I can squat 500 pounds, but I can’t do it correctly. My technique is wrong and I’m realising now, I can’t breathe properly, up under my diaphragm here, I’m super weak.” And so I’d been doing DDPY a little bit here and there and, basically, I made this giant pivot in my training and, for the better part of a year. I’ve been in search of greater mobility. And I have this book called The Modern Art and Science of Mobility, and it has all your functional muscular chains. There’s 12 of them. And so I’ve been focusing on those so that my body’s kinetic energy moves in the way that it’s supposed to move and that I’m not having these mobility positions that I can’t hit and essentially my body can’t protect itself in the way that it’s designed to protect itself – and bolstering my core strength.

DDPY has been a massive, massive part of that physically, obviously, I’ve talked about a lot. But then on top of it – yeah, the mental piece too.

That’s kind of another long-winded story, I guess, but for me, mentally, things were fairly challenging, right? Especially once the pandemic started and things weren’t going that well for Heavy Machinery. I mean, even from like April – or after Otis won the Money in the Bank up until the split. I guess there was a chunk of time where things we weren’t really doing too much. He was just kind of doing his stuff. And then we ended up doing the Miz and Morrison, the court date angle, and that was sort of the end of what we had. I’m sure there’s a lot of people in the world that we’re… Everybody’s going through his crazy stuff in the last two years. Right? I mean, everybody’s world’s been thrown upside down. So mental health around that has been the challenge for sure. I’m sure it’s been a challenge for a lot of a lot of people.

For me, I’ve discovered that my ego was too attached to wrestling and not just wrestling, but the highs and lows, if you will. As an amateur athlete, it was easier for me to attach my ego to wins and losses because I was in direct control of those things. But even then, I tell as many amateur athletes as I can now to try to detach your ego from the outcome and attach it to the process. I’ve shifted a lot of that ego energy onto my marriage and my ability to be a father – so what makes me feel good about me now is more about being a good husband and being a good father than it is about being a good wrestler. And being a wrestler is just a piece of who I am. It’s not the bulk of my identity. For a lot of my life, it was the bulk of my identity. That goes hand-in-hand with the yoga because, in my opinion, it gives you that time every morning to see what’s kind of coming at you.

You just take a stop, slow down a little bit and give not just your body, but give your mind a chance to tell you what’s kind of there and what are the things that are like cycling all the time for you, you know? And yeah, I mean, I could go on and on. I’ve done a lot of studying about this mental health thing because I believe it’s very important and it’s something that the world doesn’t talk about nearly enough – and self-care in general, I think, is a massive, massive thing and something I’m very motivated to try to help other people with, because I know it’s not something that I took as seriously as I should have for some of my life up to this point and it’s something that just a half an hour a day, in the morning, of a little bit of stretching, a little bit of mindfulness, I know it improves my day exponentially, and I think it has the power to do that for a lot of people and just kind of realise that the things that maybe you’re worrying about, all that negative self talk that you have in your mind is just your perception and it’s not the reality of the world. And if you can kind of take a step back and figure out what’s super important to you and what really matters in your life and you make decisions in service of those things, you’re going to be a lot happier person.

I love that message! Now, my favourite thing about DDPY, well, it’s probably not looking at my phone for an hour – but the moves are amazing. I know you can do the Black Crow now, which is the very summit of the moves, but which is your favourite move?

Oh, my favorite move, huh? Man, I think my favorite move is when you stand up with your feet together and you do this one – to the side. But for a long time I hated it to the max. And it was interesting because this is kind of along the lines of what we’re talking about.

I was trying to follow the person I saw on the screen and then I realised, “Oh, man, I’m actually not flexible enough to do that.” Like, I’ve got to back it up and do it. You know, I can’t go very far, but that’s OK. I need to make sure to focus on my breathing and my you know, and it’s like we all want to do the cool stuff. We all want to do the top stuff, but in order to do those things correctly, you have to be really solid at the fundamental level, and that to me is true of almost anything in life. Even if you can do the cool stuff, if you’re not sound fundamentally, then you’re going to run up against the times when that’s exactly what’s required. You don’t need to be doing fancy stuff. You need to just be able to know how to do addition. And so that’s why I like not like that one. That’s my favourite. Yeah.

It’s like me on day one trying to lift my foot above my head and wondering why I can’t do it!

It’s called yoga practice, right? It’s called yoga practice, not “yoga you can do it right away” and that goes back to what I was talking about with your ego and the journey, right? Feel good about yourself. Nobody needs to practice negative self talk. As human beings, we got that part down. The thing we need to practice is positive self talk.

Celebrate your small wins. If you wake up in the morning and do 30 minutes of DDPY or you go for a walk in the morning or whatever it is, like, you did something. You woke up in the morning to take care of yourself, to improve your day and improve yourself – then you need to be telling yourself in your brain, “Hey, good job. I did a good job this morning. Like, I got up. I could have slept in, I could have done this. I could have spent half an hour on social media. I could have wasted my time in any number of ways. But instead I focused my time and energy and I improved at something. And I should be proud of myself for that.”

Final question. I know you won’t give me a scoop on where you’re going next. I do I get to hear you speak more about this on the DDPY app never mind seeing you back in a ring, but what is next for Levi Cooper?

Well, it’s interesting you mention that, because that is part of my plan.

You know, I’ve been streaming on Twitch and I’ve been getting that going a lot. I have another child that’s due in early October so I’m going to spend some time at home and just I really want to be a part of the newborn process. I’m going to take some trips early on in the summer here and do some signings and do a little bit of wrestling.

2022, I’m hitting the ground running full speed. I’m going to kick it back and sort of think about building a new character as building the house and really just work on the foundation. For me, that’s amateur wrestling, you know, and just kind of reminding everyone, “Hey, these are the things I’m capable of doing. This is the reason why I got into pro wrestling in the first place.” You know, when you strip away all the facade and the jean jackets and all that, this is really who I am. This is really what I’m all about. And it’s like the direct correlation between what you give and what you get that I love about amateur wrestling so much. And it’s why it makes me who I am essentially.

So character-wise, wrestling-wise, that’s what I’m going to be trying to do. Like I said, I’m Levi Cooper Live on Twitch. I’ve probably only done like ten, twelve sessions and I’ve only played video games up to this point, but I am planning on doing some barbecuing on my channel and hoping to put out some ingredients and recipes so that people can barbecue with me and we can all do that together.

My wife and I are going to start doing yoga a couple of times this morning on that Twitch channel. I’m hoping… Yeah, I’ve talked to Dallas a couple of times and I don’t feel like I’m where I want to be in my personal practice, I still feel like I have a little bit more to improve on in a couple of areas before I really want to, like, fully dig into potentially becoming an instructor. I’ve learned the lesson that I need to really feel like I’m perfectly in the space for myself before I kind of launch myself full force into something else like that.

Definitely I’m going to keep wrestling, definitely you’re going to see me around and, like I said, I’m just hoping to become the best professional wrestler that Levi Cooper’s capable of becoming, not compare myself to anyone else, not setting a goal to get to this particular place or that particular place, but just to improve as an artist and a performer on a daily basis and just and to see how good I can get for myself.

Thank you to Levi Cooper for taking the time out to speak to us! You can follow Levi on Twitter and Instagram, and also check out Levi Cooper’s Twitch Channel.