2020 has been a strange, and probably rather disappointing year for many. However, one man who hasn’t let it hold him back is WWE Hall of Famer Diamond Dallas Page. With his match at AEW’s Bash at the Beach in January, DDP became part of an elite club of wrestlers to have competed across six different decades. Not only that, but Page continues to inspire and save lives through his DDPY program. Inside The Ropes’ Gary Cassidy sat down with Diamond Dallas Page to get his thoughts on all of that and more.
The one place I want to start is WWE Champion Drew McIntyre. I spoke to you a few years ago now and you told me how Drew was driving for hours to Georgia to do some DDPY, and you told me he was destined for big things back then. What do you think, looking back to that point to where Drew is now, has been the reason for his success?
I’m surprised it didn’t come earlier. I was really shocked when he went back because they’d push him – but not really. I remember telling people, “I think he’s going to be the biggest star in the world.” A year, year and a half later, it hadn’t happened yet. I remember people saying to me, “So, do you think Drew is still going to be the top guy?” I said, “Yeah, when they start letting him be himself.” He’s not a f***ing psychopath. First of all, he’s got a huge heart and the best work ethic – outside of me – that I’ve ever seen. When you drive seven and half hours to work with someone for four hours, and drive seven and a half hours back the other way, you’ve got a good work ethic.
If you look at Stone Cold Steve Austin, the Rock, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Kevin Nash, DDP – it’s all us amped up. Unless you have to play a character, like Scott Hall.
A lot of guys don’t want to do, outside of the ring, something they are not getting paid for, which is all the promotional stuff. Like, when you’ve got the mantle, when you’ve got the belt, and you carry the company, John Cena, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, they did non-stop PR. Drew is like, “Bring it.” Some guys complain about it. Drew is like, “No, give it to me. I WANT to do it. I WANT to be the face of the company.”
It’s really interesting because Drew is getting such an amazing reaction…when everybody left. I remember talking to him right before ‘Mania, and here’s his big main event moment. A lot of people are talking to him going, “Oh, dude. What a drag. You finally get your spot and no-one’s going to be there. That’s the sh**s.” Like, everybody was reacting like that. I reacted like, “Do you want to know why I think it’s amazing? Because this could be the only time this ever happens. Tell me who won the world title at WrestleMania 27, or 25, or 4, or 11.”
I’ll bet you 99% of the hardcore fans can’t tell you, but if you ask anybody five years from now, 2020, no-one will forget it was Covid. And if you say “Who won at WrestleMania?” 95% of the people watch wrestling will go, “Drew McIntyre won that title.” It made him special. That’s what I told him. I said, “Dude, this makes you unique, this makes you special and everything that happens moving forward is what makes you who you are.” and he’s doing this at a time where you go back to WrestleMania… Let’s take 29. Yeah, Netflix was out there and they were making a little bit of an impact. But there was no Amazon Prime or Hulu. Now there’s 40,000 different streaming services to watch. When I hear that, “Oh, wrestling is not doing the same numbers.” No-one is doing the same numbers.
I think Drew is doing killer.
And Drew’s opponent at Hell In A Cell is a man some people will see a little bit of DDP in, too. Randy Orton. The RKO is very similar to a certain Diamond Cutter. What do you think about the evolution of the move?
I think Randy made it his own. Just like when Johnny Ace gave me the Ace Crusher and no-one had ever seen it. I made it my own. He used to take it with one arm and he would make the peace sign and kick out. I use the cravat because Steven Regal taught me that. And then, out of nowhere, that just came from watching Jake Roberts.
I have a picture of Drew when he’s 15 at a workshop with Jake Roberts. Jake pointed at him and said, “That kid’s got potential to be a star.” He pointed him out. For me, starting at 35 and to finally get my positioning to where my career took off, and I was almost 41 at the time. In my 40s, I appreciated it so much and then to finally get that world title. I was in the ring with Flair and Hogan, and Sting. Three of the biggest names ever. I appreciated that at a different level. That’s what Drew’s going through right now. That’s why his work ethic is second to none. The really positive side is he’s not wrestling 24 days a month, he’s wrestling four. And for the wear and tear on his body, this is a really big deal. He’ll find other ways to stay unstoppable.
I’m just glad when I see something in somebody. I saw it in Goldberg before. I met him in a strip joint six years before he ever did it. I just saw that guy as money. Kevin Nash, when he went in the Hall of Fame, he literally thanked me because he said, “Probably the reason I own my beachfront condo is DDP.” Because he was frustrated, he wanted to quit and I was like, “Dude, do not let these people, these bookers, these riders, don’t let them pull you down. Don’t let them beat you. You’re going to be one of the biggest names in the business.” there’s not many names that are bigger than Kevin Nash, and what he did. Then you add the business in, Kevin is in the top 1% of 1%. Probably the smartest businessman in the business. Period.
I’m very glad that you mentioned a name you mentioned there – Goldberg! The return of Halloween Havoc has just been announced. People of a certain age will remember Halloween Havoc from WCW. Yourself and Goldberg main-evented a show that had Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan on it and Bret Hart vs Sting. Why do you think your match had top billing, and just what are your memories from that match?
The first part of the memories, you have to understand that I was at WrestleMania 6 and I was Diamond Dallas Chauffeur.
I literally drove the ’62 pink Cadillac with Peggy Sue, who was Sherri Martel, with Honky Tonk Man, Jimmy Hart and Greg Valentine. The main event was Warrior vs Hogan.
Eight years later, Warrior comes into the company and he asks to speak to me and Goldberg. We hopped in one of those golf carts – because it’s an arena, so it was huge – we drove over to where his locker room was and, when we walked through the door, he gave us both a big hug and he said, “You guys are the reason I’m back because you’re having so much fun out there that it made me remember why I used to love the business.” That was pretty cool.
I don’t think anybody could follow us that night. So, for me to go from driving the pink Cadillac to the ring, eight years later, to be sharing a main event spot that nobody wanted to follow, you know? That match with Goldberg, Goldie’s had some good matches since then but he ain’t ever had one that good. That’s one of my top four matches.
And that night, I never knew it until later, But Dusty Rhodes went to Eric and said… [Impersonating Dusty] “You know, E, this night tonight could be Dallas’ night.” And Eric didn’t drop the strap on me that night because Goldie was going to be on Entertainment Weekly, big magazine in our country, and TV Guide, when that meant something, wearing the title the next day.
What would have been great as if I’d have heard that. Oh, my God, I would have… Because it made sense for me to beat him. And it would have just bumped me up to that Austin level. It would have, really. Especially to beat him clean. It would have taken me to a different spot.
Not that I’m not super happy with everything that happened in my life. The career I had was unbelievable and I’m super thankful for it, but if that would have happened, Goldie wouldn’t have had to get hit with a Taser and then the finish… That mortified him. It would have been a lot for him to swallow, me beating him, but the Diamond Cutter was so over at that time, you know, it would have really made sense – but that is what it is. To go back in time, it would have been fun but the match was still great. I always say, it doesn’t matter if you win or lose, it’s how you win or lose, on both sides.
We got a little glimpse back into the past earlier this year when we saw DDP wrestling at Bash at the Beach in AEW. I need to ask, how did that come about and might be see another DDP match in the future?
God, I hope not.
Cody is like my nephew. When Cody won both his state championships in wrestling, in shoot wrestling, I flew back from Los Angeles for both of them.
We just interviewed Cody for a documentary we have coming out in about a month called Relentless. He talks in it about showing up, and when he first talked to me about All In, I said, I know I told you I wasn’t doing any more Diamond Cutters but if you need me to do it, if it comes up, if there was a spot, I’ll do it.
He just let that simmer, and about three days before All In, He said, “You still want to do that Diamond Cutter?”
I said, “If you want me to.” He said, “I’ve got a spot.” I was like, “All right.” And then later on, we talked about me doing a match when they became AEW. I was kind of for it, then I started thinking about it, I called them back and I was like, “Hey, bro, I might have bitten off more than I can chew. I don’t know if I really want to do it. I feel really good right now, so maybe I won’t do it.” I said, “Let’s just call it off.” He said, “Yes, we’ll take it aside. Don’t worry about it. We’ll talk about it again.” Then he asked me again at Christmas. We were talking about doing something, because I wanted to do that, if you told me, that interview, 19 years ago, that DDP would be back on TNT with a company called AEW, I’d have to say you’re smoking crack. Why would I think that? “The company’s been disbanded? Who the hell is AEW?”
19 years ago, if you’d have told me that… I wanted to do that interview and that segment because I love the AEW crowd. Not having them, and still to be doing as good as they are doing is a lot to say. Cody… Is one of the EVPs, but he is the Dusty Rhodes version – meaning he is the main guy with the ideas, the follow-through, the storytelling. The Bucks have a lot to do with it and so does Kenny – but they’ve never been involved, not until now, in the laying out of the show, and of course Cody has been around it since he was a kid. It gave him a big leg-up.
When I first saw him do All In, and I was backstage, watching everything, and he was just having fun, and telling everybody, “Have fun.”
I’ll tell you what, I wouldn’t have done it with no crowd. I wouldn’t have done it. My hat’s off to every one of the boys and girls that are doing it without people, because now it’s all on you. It’s kind of like, we’ve got NFL football, and these guys are talking s***. There’s no people in the stands, so you can really hear them now. It’s not a completely different game but it’s a different game and, in wrestling, it’s different. My hat is off to them, and the first people, the first company to bring the boys out and create that energy was AEW. Later on, WWE would do it but AEW did it first. That was brilliant. And risky in the middle of, “Ooh, Covid.” It’s pretty amazing. But there were people there.
I really thought, “Wait a minute, my first match…” I wrestled when I was 23, three times. I was the sh**s. I hurt my knee, needed to take some time out. I got my first really small rock ‘n’ roll club to be the manager of, and I got swept away in the booze, broads and the partying – but I had three matches in 1979. Then I was managing and doing colour commentating for Dusty and Florida Championship Wrestling. And my wrestler, Big Steel Man, who would also be Tugboat, or Shockmaster. Fred Ottman, great guy. Fred had a match with Dicky Slater, and if Slater won the match, he got five minutes with the manager. Which was me. I got out there. I’d never trained, But there’s moments where I kind of look like I know what I’m doing. And other moments it’s just ridiculous.
But I had a match in ’79. So, ’70s, ’80s, My big runs in the ’90s. 2000. Then 2010, I was done, But 2010 came around and I got asked to do a tag team match in Rome, Georgia, and I was already in Atlanta, which is literally 15 minutes from there. I thought, “God, I’ll have wrestled in five decades. ’70s, ’80s, ’90s, Millennium, 2010.” Then when Cody asked me to do it in January, I thought, “Wow, I’ll have wrestled in six decades.” There’s a handful, a very small handful of people who can say that.
And I plan on doing it on the seventh decade, too. I plan on it. I will do something there. If it comes around. And if I’m in the same shape – which I think I’ll be in better shape.
You can also watch part one of our interview with WWE Hall of Famer Diamond Dallas Page, via Inside The Ropes’ YouTube channel, below – or read on for part two.
You’re a man who undeniably has longevity, having wrestled in six different decades. Another man in AEW has so much of that, a lot of which is thanks to yourself. He’s said it himself many times. He’s just surpassed 30 years. Chris Jericho. He always speaks about how DDPY has added years to his career – which is now 30 years in. What do you think is the key to Jericho’s success?
Creativity, talent, and work ethic. I put The Rock as the hardest working human being in the world, because he’s working on so many things.
Number two, I’d put Chris Jericho. Wrestler, rockstar, podcast icon – he’s in the top echelon of that – gameshow host, actor. I mean, what the f*** doesn’t he do? And he’s constantly recreating himself. Constantly. I love the dude. It’s like, “What’s he going to do next?” And at some point, I’m sure he may change again, but I’m sure he’s got a really long run in what he’s doing right now. I think that this might be his last one, but you can’t say that. Because, right when you get comfortable with who he’s being… [DDP snaps fingers] ..he’s gonna change. Mainly because he doesn’t want to get stale, ever. If you look at people like Madonna, William Shatner, people who are constantly recreating themselves. Diamond Dallas Page. Always recreating myself.
As a wrestler, he’s done it so many times it’s mind-boggling, because he’s been successful time after time after time. I love the guy. I think he’s amazing. That I have a little bit to do with him still being able to do this… Chris Jericho speaks so passionately… Forget when he’s doing the ad on his podcast. It doesn’t matter if they’re a rockstar, a wrestler, a football player. It doesn’t matter, he’s gonna say, “You need to do DDP Yoga.” Then if it’s a friend of his, he’s gonna send me an email and me an email, and I’m going to set them up.
Through the course of this whole past six months, people have been stuck inside, not able to go to gyms or anything like that. Me, personally, I’m sitting in a chair maybe 10-14, maybe more, hours a day. Over the past three months, I’ve started doing DDPY. Man, the change has been phenomenal. Even just waking up and doing a couple of Diamond Cutters (the DDPY move – a standing cobra – not the wrestling move) it’s changed me. How important do you think DDPY is at a time when they maybe can’t go outside?
Well, just being at the computer beats the hell are your body because of the way you’re slumped over, your shoulders are run in, and you’re typing. It’s really uncanny. Just standing up, leaning back, hulking it up, it opens your body! I’m about to release… The workouts are already up on my app, but the the straps, the DDPY cuffs that go with it aren’t available yet, because I’m just at the end of my testing and everything is all go. We’re about to release DDPY Jacked, and DDPY Jacked is like DDPY on steroids. What I mean by that is we’re dealing with blood flow restriction, so the straps or cuffs go round the top part of your bicep and, if you want, your quads. They were originally used for rehabilitation because of the blood flow that gets trapped in your muscles whether you’re doing biceps, chest or shoulders, it’s going to focus there.
One of the things, back to the match that we were talking about with Cody, I had been training with the straps for four months at that point in time. My body looked unbelievable, especially considering I was three months away from 64 years young. A lot of the reason why I looked that good was because I took it to a different level with the DDPY straps and, on my birthday, which was in April, I could never do more than ten ten-second push ups – which I’ve only ever known three people who could ever do that many. Like, you lower for ten, hold for ten, and then push up for ten. I’ve never seen more than three people ever do ten push-ups, and I was one of them. I’ve only done it twice. I’d done nine probably ten times. I could do eight pretty much at will but that nine was really hard. I had to have a good day. Ten, I’ve did it twice. I never did more than that. After six months with my DDPY Jacked straps, cuffs – I don’t know if they’ll be called straps or cuffs yet – with those blood flow restriction bands, I did 11 and a half on my 64th birthday. I thought I was going to get 12, but when I got ten, nine, eight… Then I just stuck, and I had to lower to a knee and that’s when I finished it off. But it was amazing that I could get stronger in my mid-60s. So I know I’m onto something really big. I honestly feel next year, at this time. I will have changed a portion of the face of fitness again.
I’ve just turned 30, and DDPY has definitely helped me a lot, but another person it’s helped immensely is Jake ‘The Snake’ Roberts. If anyone hasn’t seen the documentary, it’s insane just how drastic that change is. He may not be wrestling matches but he’s back in the ring and looks better than ever. I know you took him in over the past few months as well. How is Jake doing, and what do you feel when you watch him on AEW now?
Well, Jake is like a different cat now. It’s really fascinating because this Jake is super-positive, this Jake wants to live, wants to be healthy, wants to feel amazing ’cause he’s working nonstop and he loves it. He’s 65. Jake and I have been really blessed in the way that we have a whole second act that we never really saw coming. His is comedy, acting, comic cons when they come back but his one man show is really amazing.
It meant so much to him that Cody gave him an opportunity. It was only for ten weeks and, at the end of those ten weeks, they wanted to keep him on. It’s really interesting, Cody treats the legends with a lot of respect, but a little bit of royalty too. He gets it. I don’t want to set out one individual, but it doesn’t always work like that. So, I’m just happy for the guys who get the opportunity to still work and keep the respect that they deserve.
I know you’re not a man who has many regrets in any way because you’ve got such a positive outlook, but the one thing that I think was a missed opportunity was what happened once you got to WWE. The storyline they put you in where you were the stalker. If you could go back, what’s the one match or rivalry they should have done?
Pfft, the easiest one ever – People’s Champion vs People’s Champion!
But the positive side was this… Vince McMahon has been very good to me. I have nothing but positive things to say about WWE. Did I go in there and get what I wanted going in? No. But I didn’t realise that we really were the enemy coming in there, and they bought us but they had no intention to do anything with us, but it was business. It was to show that the WWF, cos we still two companies at the time, that they won the war. We’re not going to shine these guys now, but what that did for me, because I did pitch Vince People’s Champion vs People’s Champion, but they were so set on me doing the stalker thing. They didn’t put a gun to my head. It was like, “Do you want to do it or not?” I talked myself into it because no-one can really talk me in anything. I talked myself into it and I walked away from $487,000.
WCW offered me $1.27 million. They wouldn’t give me it if I left, and if I wasn’t 45 at the time, I probably would have just waited – but I was 45. And they did want me. I didn’t realise what it was for at the time but it taught me a lesson. I’m so grateful to Vince for teaching me the lesson of you can’t be afraid to walk away from the table, and what I mean by that is when someone gives you an opportunity and you know they really want you, and you’re not satisfied with what the offer is, you can just as easily get up and walk away from the table, you can’t be afraid to do that. I learned that lesson the hard way, and you never heard me – over that angle or anything – talk negatively about WWE in any way, because it’ll never happen, because Triple H, Vince McMahon, Stephanie, Shane, all of them have been really good to me. Not the immediate moment when I got there, but taking it like a man, and learning the lessons of what I needed to learn.
Then five years later, when they started doing The Very Best of Nitro, they asked me to do that, and then they brought me in for this and they brought me in for that. If it wasn’t Cody Rhodes, I never would have done anything with any other wrestling group – ever. And I still have a loyalty to WWE because they were really good to me. I mean, they let me induct Jake. They brought me to the Legends RAW when Jake was in the middle of his transformation.
They let me do a commercial. Fr***ing Triple H came up to me, he goes, “You’re going to do this thing with Booker, get your sh** over.” Show the DVDs, do whatever you want. Throw the foot in the air, that’s impressive as hell. We’ll have Ron Simmons come in at the end and do the ‘Damn’ thing.” I was like, “Great.” The really cool thing that happened out of that was, when that happened, it drove so much people coming to our site that it overloaded. No-one could even get on our site to get our product because it got overloaded. Later, we would do that show Shark Tank. You guys call it Dragons’ Den. We did that show. If that night, we don’t shut down our side because I’m on the WWE doing a little minute and a half infomercial that they let me do that show, if that doesn’t happen, we never have the company that we are because it we never went, “Wow, if that shuts down, what will happen when we’re on Shark Tank?” My business partner Steve Yu, he’s a genius. He went to the place that runs the websites, and the servers. He had 25 servers on – so when one flipped up, it went to another, went to another, went to another. that’s what I learned that night.
They also put Jake ‘The Snake’ Roberts on the same show, and no-one saw it coming. That’s what WWE did for me. They let me wear my DDP Yoga shirts. Who do they let do that? Brock and Rock. Of course, Triple H can do whatever he wants to do, but of the boys… They let me do all of that. They let me wear DDP Yoga shirts all over WWE TV, and they’ve let me do that.
So, I understand the first go-round and thank God I learned the lesson because with my DDPY company, I can’t tell you how many times I got up and walked away from the table, very nicely, because that deal doesn’t work for me. It’s one of the reasons now, I’m worth like ten times what I was in wrestling. It’s not about the money to me. It’s about making DDPY a household name because it’s helped so many people.
One of the things that I do on my app, and if anyone wants to try my app, if you’re over there in the UK are you’re watching this, it’s seven free days. Just head over to DDPYoga.com and you get it for seven days. You get Motivational Mondays every Monday, you get seven free workouts. There’s over 300 workouts on there. “Oh, but you’re going to kill me with those workouts.” My Bed Flex workouts start off in bed. Then Chair Force, sit in a chair. Then Stand Strong, use a chair.
Bobby Fish… That’s the one thing I’m bummed out about a little bit. I don’t get to go and train the new talent anymore because I helped AEW, and I get that. I had to pick a side. I’m still a WWF guy, I appreciate what they do, but Cody Rhodes is my boy. If he needs me to do something. I don’t have no contract with them. Jake does, Arn does, I don’t have one. I do stuff for them because I want to, because it helps Cody. If he wants me, I’m there. If he doesn’t, I’m not. I’m no pain in the ass to him. If he needs me, I’m there. Love what he’s doing.
When it comes to the program and what we’re doing, the Motivational Mondays, it isn’t just DVDs. Every week, I’m going to keep hitting you with more stuff to keep you more locked in. We have this site, everybody’s got Facebook all around the world. There’s a site my members developed for themselves and it’s DDPYoga (one word). When I started this, there was about 47,000 people on there. About two months ago, I started… Oh, my God, there was one story after another. There was this guy, I believe his name is Adam Plumber. He’s from the UK, and he meets this woman on the Facebook site, they’re helping each other, and everybody helps each other. It’s the most unbelievable community. They end up getting married. He lives in the UK, she lived in Ohio. Over two-and-a-half years, someone sent to me the stuff that he’s done on the Facebook site. Now on Fridays, I do Fabulous Facebook Friday. It’s just me reading something that’s on there. Now there’s 52,000 people on there because people want to be around that.
It’s really dark in our world right now, and there’s been no fallout yet. All those businesses that have been closed, when they try to reopen and they still don’t have the people. There’s a lot of fallout so you want to try to stick yourself around as many positive entities as possible and control what you can control.
[Dallas shows a photo of him diving from the top rope at AEW Bash at the Beach] This is the picture my brother brought to me. Me diving through the air. I used to have a picture of Eddie Guerrero’s brother, Chavo’s dad, Mondo Guerrero. Chavo Senior, when I first broke into AWA, he was at the end of his run – but still a wild man. He was a Guerrero. I was 31. The manager. 1988. I used to have a picture of me and Badd Company, Pat Tanaka, and Paul Diamond. I had no idea this was going to happen. Chavo ran up to the top rope and dove, and the picture was him in full springboard, and me being like, “What the f*** is he doing?” He landed down on us. I had no idea. It was my first day. We filmed four shows. It was on the fourth show. I had never seen that before.
For that to be on my first day and maybe, as a worker, this be my last. I’m good with that. As I told Cody, when Cody said, “So, do you think there’s another one maybe?” I was like, “Bro, what you designed…” ’cause he designed that whole thing. I did what I did on my own but he laid out that whole thing, including me jumping off the top rope, ’cause I never would have said that, and he was like, “It’s going to be great!” And I believed him, and it was, it was amazing. “If that’s the last thing I do, again, what a the way to head off into the sunset.” He talked about it in Relentless, the new documentary I have coming out. I don’t know how we can do anything better than then. If he comes up with it, then I’ll do it. If he believed it, I’d believe it but I have a lot of other things on my agenda right now, so not right now.
Finally, I want to ask, this could be the easiest or hardest question ever. You’re a Hall of Famer, you’ve changed so many people’s lives. What does DDP want his legacy to be?
12 years ago, Bryan Alvarez was just starting his interviews. We’d been friends for a few years at that time and he had done program. He said to me, Where is Diamond Dallas Page five years from today?” I said, “Five years from now, I will be the new Jack LaLanne meets Tony Robbins, meets straight Richard Simmons.” They help a lot of big people. I said, “I honestly believe that my program will end up overshadowing my wrestling career.”
At that time, 12 years ago, people heard of it but didn’t really believe in it. Some did but masses had no idea. He was like, “Come on, DDP, that’s a bold statement, you had a hell of a career.”
I was like, “Yeah, but I just… I see it.” I mainly saw it because I’d saw what I did with Arthur Boorman. I’d watched what he did, that was 13 years ago, and I knew what was possible. My wrestling career, I consider it not starting when I was 23 ’cause I’d had three matches. I consider it starting when I was 31 trying to be a manager, colour commentator, wrestler. It took eight years to be an overnight success. That was 1996.
DDP Yoga/DDPY took eight years before I made a dime. I had $548,000 invested in the program. And at the moment, it looked like I was never going to see that money again. I never really focused on the money. I focused on the work and just kept putting money in. I would have put money in until I didn’t have any more money, and I was close. Eight and a half years ago, it took off and we ain’t ever looked back. We just grow, grow, grow, grow every year. It’s mainly because it’s organic and people tell people because they’re getting out of pain, or we have so “saved my life” – forget “change my life” it’s “save my life” and I’ll leave you with this. You’ll see a video come out next year sometime, it’ll be a guy who’s six-foot-seven. 698 pounds. On his own, he loses 172 pounds walking, changing what he ate, but his body was so beat up that he really couldn’t even walk anymore. He was so beat up, so he started our program. In one year, he lost 173 pounds.
In 20 months, and the second half coming on with us, he would end up losing 378 pounds 20 months. Forget the weight loss, couldn’t do a push-up, to be able to do five-second push-ups. To be able to lift his foot up. To be able to have the confidence in him that he’d never had – and that’s what the program’s about – helping give people confidence.
If there’s one thing, if they put the work in, I know they’re going to get – they’re going to feel better about themselves, they’re going to get more confidence. You can’t pay for confidence.
You can also watch part two of our interview below.